What makes lutherans different

You try your best to do what he says and obey him, but he also knows your gonna disobey him. You understand that. He died on the cross for our sins, so his torture is caused by us sinning. Obey him and when you mess up say your sorry, if not to God to spare Jesus from the ignorance inside of all of us, then to Jesus for causing him pain. How did the thief on the cross get to be with Jesus in paradise?

Was he baptized? Did he ever experience any of he sacraments? He knew who Jesus was…his Lord. We must stop all this legalistic stuff and know that we know that we know that Jesus is Lord!! If we say that we are not sinners, the we make God a liar. Thank you Lord Jesus!! Hallelujah and Amen!! Baptism is the outward response to what is going on inside, after salvation.

The thief did not have a chance to be baptized before death. Was he saved? You better believe it! Jesus walked this earth to teach and guide us. One of His examples was being baptized. We are to follow in His steps. Baptism comes after salvation. The Word was never meant to be complicated. He offers us a precious gift, through His Son, Jesus Christ. The gift of salvation and everlasting life with Him.

So in response to a previous post by someone else, baptism does not save. Salvation is required before baptism. In response to the person making the statement about repentance…..

It is my understanding that the blood sacrifice Christ made, was to cover sins up to the point of salvation. Because we are human, we will sin. Here is a hint. It is a concept derived from theology. Look up the baptism scripture and if you find it, please post it here. It will suprise some of us.

Looking forward to you post. I am pleasantly surprised that this thread has endured the years and is still providing spiritual and intellectual stimulation. God bless. Tom Sherman- you asked if someone finds a scripture on baptism as an outward sign to post here.. And it IS in the scriptures, contrary to your statement above…. Being baptized is an outward sign. But John tried to talk him out of it. JESUS said that. Plain as day. And as you frequently mention, you prefer not to argue with Jesus, we share that sentiment.

I agree we should all discard doctrines of men. HE is the author and finisher of our faith. NOT doctrines of men. Have a blessed day in the LORD. When did following God become so divisive? Sadly Henri, it has always been divisive.

Only the blood of Christ holds it together. May the Lord forgive us! Hebrews KJV For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth law , there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. I agree with you Chloe. Jesus dying on the cross is the reason we received grace through faith. Its all about Him, the Trinity part.

The division is there, but if we accept what His Son did and continue in faith, we will enter into heaven. We will know all the answers when Jesus returns for us. Yo Jesus created a church. The Roman Catholic Church, the one the Lutheran church was derived from. If you truly love Jesus, then you should start going to the church he created and not the one that was tampered with by a human being, unless maybe you want to tell me that a human knows better than Jesus.

Actually Alicia, if you want to be technical, the Roman Church parted ways with the Orthodox Church, in large part, over the Catholic position that the Pope had authority over all other bishops. The Orthodox Church still holds to its original or at least early doctrine. All this can, of course, be disputed. However, it is historically documented. And because Jesus is the only important thing you need to go to the sacraments. And the sacrament of reconciliation is literally created to help us grow closer to Jesus.

And they were so close to Jesus that he graced them with miracles. Saints tell us how to live close to Jesus, and because you love Jesus so much you should look at how they lived their lives so that you can mirror them to become a better Christian. It seems a bit of a double standard regarding what you stated about Luther. And because the Roman Catholic Church was Soo corrupt at the time, Luther felt it necessary to call out the MEN and bring the Word to the people, in many ways, but one was by translating to the language of his countrymen, something kept from the people by the RCC.

You should learn the history before condemning. In the last days there will be, God will raise up an army that he has trained, that all follow Christ, all have been baptised in water and the Holy Spirit and by his Grace, serve him in love.

We are his chosen people, a Royal Priesthood. We do not belong to any denomination or church and have been taught by the Holy Spirit. So that no man can boast.

I found it refreshing to find a like minded Christian…. Thank you for your message. Dont stay at home. Go out and demonstrate what he is teaching you. This is how he is reviving the church. Through these worshipers in spirit and truth. Lol…not even all Christians are Christians. A Christian means a people or a man that follows and obeys the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Now after all these years, I want to apologize for for my abrasiveness. I was and still am, very zealous for the word of God, however, I am now tempered by love. If I was offensive, and I was, I apologize. I continue to assert the fact that we must follow scripture as our only guide for salvation and to resist the doctrines of man, but I now realize that the love of God manifest through us as we teach truth is what is desperately needed not incendiary language.

Humbly, Tom. Tom, your updated post replying to what you has posted back in warmed my heart greatly. God continually works on and in all of us in His way and on His timeline. As this happens, we will see growth in our spirituality. Our personality will change. We are continually being changed by God. God Bless. Tom, you still have my love through Christ.

No apologies are necessary, we all hold a true common thread, God. We all show or joy and passions in different ways, possibly say different things, that is what makes us individuals. The passion for God is the thread that binds. Continue your passions and you will find great wisdom. Read Habakukk You are saying exactly what the passage is against.

I am LCMS. We are a biblically inerrant denomination. We are sinners forgiven by the grace of God and the death and resurrection of His son Jesus Christ, just the same as my many brothers and sisters of other denominational and non denominational churches. We are one body if we are children of the one true God.

You are one of the best comments I read. Why the sio called Christians offend the Mother of Jesus? Even with mundane concept a Mother is venerated, celebrated. What is wrong with Christians? I consider myself Catholic even though I do not go to church much. I say my prayers morning and night and I obey the 10 commandments.

The blessed Mother… God is watching those that do not honor His Mother! A true Catholic do not become or go somewhere else to pray and honor God. The Catholic Church has changed.

The Lutheran church was founded out of anger against the Pope. To me anything born out of disrespect and anger, has not validity; however, I believe God is merciful and I am sure many Lutherans and others are good people and God is just!

People will be just that and we must see that under God there is no difference among us. God love us all! Christ teach us to pray and included there the prayer of confession and it was stated again in 1;john It was his apostles and as we all know they were already sanctified and were living, at that time, under the Old Covenant.

You are also right in that John taught that we are to confess our sins and our sins will be forgiven. Unfortunately, what you left out was the context in which John was writing. You forgot to ask yourself whom it was to, that John was writing. As it turns out he was not speaking to a group of unconverted people; he was; in fact, speaking to a group of Christians. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

I have never read a NT verse that instructs individuals to pray a sinners prayer to be saved. Have you? If so I would love to know which verse it is.

A little hint to assist your search; the Church began after Jesus died on the cross. Heb Happy hunting and God bless! PS- I thought I would include a list the of purposes of baptism alone with the verses where they can be found.

You may be surprised to find that there are not any baptism verses that say that baptism is a symbol or a likeness as many preachers today claim. I have been reading what you all have said and stopped.

Because everyone seems to to be claiming that they KNOW the Word better than someone else, when in fact none of us know, or will know, the Word perfectly and what it means until we make it to heaven. Personally, I am believing and living out the Word of God the best I can and am trusting God, not leaning on my own understanding, to lead me the rest of the way home. Then, and only then, will we be able to say as a fact that we are saved. If you feel differently, I suggest praying about it and studying the Word further, as I will not argue over the truth, the Word of God.

Just food for thought. I love you all. Im geeting confused with the diffrence between christian and lutharin. I think were thinkin more than we should as long as you belive in what happened and have neverwitnessed it your loved in gods eyes for your faith. I was born in a christian family. And the reason im still christian is because of prays that i noticed were answered. Rite away or through out time.

I think if you belive in christ thats all you need. Theres no argueing between religons like say chritian or lutherin. If you believe you belive thats all you need to be saved. But dont take advantage of that by beliveing but living wrong try to do rite. He knows…. I can think of several things that NT scripture states we must do to be saved.

Not even a non believer will argue this point. What does scripture say? John There is your verse. Good conversations. Yet in Genesis 3 22 God said See! The man has become like one of us…like one of us…who is us? Father the Son and the holy ghost.. Lutherans do not believe in transubstantiation which is that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Jesus. Lutherans believe in consubstantiation that the stuff of Jesus is present along side of the bread and wine.

This is scientifically true as well as doctrinally true. Some protestants believe that the communion supper is only a memorial. Lutherans and Catholics believe that it is more than that.

However, Lutherans do serve grape juice as an option to those who receive communion. There is an error in this article. Martin Luther changed the Eucharistic celebration of the Mass to that of consubstantiation. I second everything Tom has said. The reason is because every answer is in The Good Book!!! Psalm May Christ be with you all! This forced his followers to set up their own Church later on that came to be known as Lutheran Church.

Martin Luther is considered as the father of the reformist movement in Christianity and the first Lutherans are believed to be the oldest of all Protestants. When we talk in terms of Christian alone without any suffixes or prefixes , we mean a person who is a follower of Roman Catholic Church and believes in Papal supremacy or authority. There are more than a billion people who can be termed Christian as per this definition which constitutes a vast majority of people professing Christianity though having different denominations and churches.

A Christian in this sense is also a believer of the principle of Trinity with the existence of God the father, God the son Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit. The relation between these three can be understood by looking at The Shield of Trinity.

A catholic Christian differs from all others in the sense that he identifies Pope as the authority to decipher scriptures and a link between God and the faithful. Papal primacy is the distinguishing feature of Christianity in the narrow sense of the term. What is the difference between Lutheran and Christian? Christian: A christian is a person who is a follower of Roman Catholic Church and believes in Papal supremacy or authority.

Lutherans believe that while God, in his grace in Christ Jesus, has indeed chosen from eternity to save those who trust in Jesus Christ, He has not predestined anyone to damnation.

Those who are saved are saved by grace alone; those who are damned are damned not by God's choice but because of their own sin and stubbornness. This is a mystery that is incomprehensible to human reason as are all true Scriptural articles of faith. The authority of Scripture. A fourth difference has to do with the proper use of reason and its relationship to the authority of Scripture. Lutherans look to Scripture alone as the source of all Christian doctrine, and we hold to the teachings of Scripture even when they are incomprehensible to human reason.

Some Presbyterian churches tend to place human reason alongside Scripture as a source of doctrinal authority, and they seek to bring seemingly paradoxical Scriptural truths into harmony with human reason in ways that in our view undermine the truthfulness and authority of Scripture.

The Sacraments. Most Presbyterian churches to a greater or lesser degree view the Sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper merely as "signs" or "symbols" of God's grace. A more detailed discussion of the differences between Lutherans and Calvinist churches may be found in Churches in America by Thomas Manteufel, available from Concordia Publishing House in St. Louis or cph.

ANSWER: Just as there are many significant differences in theology and practice between Lutherans of varying denominations, the same is true when it comes to different churches within the Reformed tradition. Differences exist among Reformed churches even regarding such fundamental issues as the authority of Scripture and the nature and centrality of the doctrine of justification. Historically, however, most Reformed churches adhere to the five points of Calvinist theology commonly summarized by the acrostic "tulip" as these were set forth at the Synod of Dort On page 41 in his book, Churches in America , Dr.

T Total Depravity The Calvinists rightly teach that all descendants of Adam are by nature totally corrupt in spiritual matters.

People do not have freedom of the will to turn to God in faith or cooperate in their conversions Eph. U Unconditional predestination Scripture does teach that it is by grace that God has predestinated the elect to eternal salvation and given them justifying faith.

It is not because of any condition fulfilled by them 2 Tim. However, the Bible does not teach, as do the Calvinists, that some are predestined for damnation. God wants all to be saved 1 Tim Furthermore, His atoning death does not mean that all people are saved 1 Cor. However, Jesus died for all 2 Cor. Furthermore, God warns us not to resist His grace 2 Cor. Scripture does not teach, however, that those who come to faith cannot lose that faith Heb. God urges His people not to continue in sin but to live in repentance and faith Rom.

Churches in America by Dr. Thomas Manteufel; p. Louis: CPH, Louis at or cph. ANSWER: At the risk of oversimplification, and keeping in mind that individual Lutheran and Catholic theologians would undoubtedly disagree about the success of recent Lutheran-Roman Catholic dialogues in lessening or even "resolving" historic doctrinal differences between these two churches, listed below are what the LCMS would regard as some of the major theological differences between the Lutheran Church and the Roman Catholic Church:.

Lutherans believe Scripture alone has authority to determine doctrine; the Roman Catholic Church gives this authority also to the pope, the church, and certain traditions of the church. Lutherans believe a person is saved by God's grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church, while at times using similar language, still officially holds that faith, in order to save, must be accompanied by or "infused with" some "work" or "love" active within a Christian.

Unlike the Roman Catholic Church, Lutherans do not believe the office of the papacy as such has any divine authority or that Christians need to submit to the Pope's authority to be "true" members of the visible church.

Roman Catholics speak of seven Sacraments while Lutherans tend to speak of only two or three. More important than number is how the Sacraments are understood. Unlike Catholics, Lutherans do not believe it is proper or scriptural to offer prayers to saints or to view Mary as in any sense a "mediator" between God and human beings.

While Lutherans believe any doctrinal error has the potential to distort or deny Scripture's teaching regarding salvation, we also believe that anyone regardless of denominational affiliation who truly believes in Jesus Christ as Savior will be saved. ANSWER: Lutherans have always rejected the traditional Roman Catholic teaching regarding purgatory because 1 we can find no scriptural basis for it, and 2 it is inconsistent, in our view, with the clear teaching of Scripture that after death the soul goes directly either to heaven in the case of a Christian or hell in the case of a non-Christian , not to some "intermediate" place or state.

What Scripture teaches concerning the death of the Christian is summarized as follows by Lutheran theologian Edward Koehler in his book, A Summary of Christian Doctrine :. In the moment of death the souls of the believers enter the joy of heaven. Jesus said to the malefactor: "Today shalt thou be with Me in paradise" Luke Stephen said in the hour of death: "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" Acts Whoever dies in the Lord is blessed "from henceforth" Rev.

What is the Synod's belief regarding the salvation of Catholics who adhere to Roman dogma? In fact, a primary "objective" listed in the Synod's Constitution Article III is to "work through its official structure toward fellowship with other Christian church bodies" — which explicitly assumes that these "other church bodies" are "Christian" in nature. That does not lessen the Synod's concern for the false doctrine taught and confessed by these churches, but it does highlight the Synod's recognition that wherever the "marks of the church" the Gospel and Sacraments are present—even where "mixed" with error—there the Christian church is present.

Such a church is a heterodox church, that is, a church that teaches false doctrine. Of course, personal salvation is not merely a matter of external membership in or association with any church organization or denomination including the LCMS , but comes through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

All those who confess Jesus Christ as Savior are recognized as "Christians" by the Synod—only God can look into a person's heart and see whether that person really believes.

It is possible to have true and sincere faith in Jesus Christ even while having wrong or incomplete beliefs about other doctrinal issues. This explains why former Synod President A. Barry called members of the Roman Catholic Church "our fellow Christians" in his statement Toward True Reconciliation , which at the same time identifies and laments the false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. The great danger is that believing things contrary to God's Word can obscure and perhaps even completely destroy belief in Jesus Christ as one's Savior.

We pray this will not happen to those who confess Jesus Christ as Savior and yet belong to heterodox church bodies, including fellow Christians in the Roman Catholic Church. In light of the many positive and caring statements concerning the Jews made by Luther throughout his lifetime, it would not be fair on the basis of these few regrettable and uncharacteristic negative statements, to characterize the reformer as "a rabid anti-Semite. The LCMS, however, does not seek to "excuse" these statements of Luther, but it denounces them without denouncing Luther's theology.